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Why Your Gym Feels Intimidating — And How to Fix It
The fitness industry has long overlooked an essential truth: while exercise improves mental health, most gym environments actively create anxiety and stress. Gabriel Sclean, founder of Angel Gyms in London, is revolutionizing the personal training experience by creating spaces that nurture both body and mind simultaneously.
Drawing from his background in mental health, Gabriel recognized two fundamental problems with traditional gyms. First, their sterile environments—harsh lighting, blaring music, cold materials—create stress rather than alleviate it. Second, despite exercise's proven mental health benefits, gyms rarely provide direct psychological support. His solution? Beautifully designed, 1940s-inspired personal training studios with in-house psychotherapists.
The environmental design is meticulously crafted to reduce anxiety. Warm lighting replaces harsh overheads. Calming 1980s music plays instead of aggressive techno. Natural wood and soft velvet replace clinical steel and plastic. Even the color palette is chosen based on psychological research showing how different hues affect mood and stress levels.
This approach is particularly transformative for weight training. While research increasingly confirms that "muscle is medicine"—building strength protects against disease and extends lifespan—traditional weight rooms remain intimidating, especially for women, older adults, and new parents. Angel Gyms makes these life-changing benefits accessible to everyone by creating sanctuaries where all feel welcome.
Beyond environment, Gabriel carefully selects personal trainers based on empathy and communication style, moving away from the industry's "no pain, no gain" mentality. This combination of thoughtful design, psychological support, and compassionate coaching creates a holistic approach to fitness that addresses the whole person.
Ready to experience fitness in a way that nurtures both body and mind? Follow Angel Gyms' journey and discover how the right environment can transform your relationship with exercise and mental wellbeing.
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Whenever you go to a gym it's brilliant for your mental health, but no gym, or at least most of them, do not provide any direct support around mental health. Studio owners still seem to think that have that sterile environment, loud music and all that is somehow good and it motivates people where in fact they find that very, very stressful atmosphere.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the used to be gym break cast, to now the fit to grit cast. I'm your host, Zach Coleman, and today we have a very special guest from all the way from my perspective, on the other side of the world, and so I'd love for you to introduce yourself, introduce what you do, and we'll kind of go from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hi. Thank you so much for this opportunity to talk to you and your viewers, Zach. It's great, great opportunity. Thank you so much. I'm Gabe Sclean. I'm CEO and founder of a company called Angel Gyms. We are basically two personal training only gyms in here in London. Yes, and one is in Southwest London and the one other one is in Shoreditch, beautiful.
Speaker 2:Why don't you tell me a little bit about your story, like where are you right now with the studios and how did you get to where you are today?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so thank you. I mean, basically I'm not from the fitness industry myself. I have a very strong background and passion in mental health and after the pandemic I built a what was initially a very makeshift sort of personal training studio and that kind of evolved into me looking more deeply into the personal training industry and really wanted to disrupt it a little, because I felt that I found primarily two problems in the fitness and personal training industries. The first primary problem that I realized over time was the fact that gyms and personal training gyms, studios can be very intimidating places to be. They can be sort of cold, very sort of in terms of how their atmosphere is. Primarily, the environment is very loud, very intimidating, very bright and certainly especially for demographics such as women, people like women parents with new children it can be a very chaotic, stressful, busy place. So I realised that one of the reasons for that is the way they are designed. So I set about to build two places which are completely different in terms of how they are designed.
Speaker 1:The second one, zach, is that I'm actually from a mental health background and my passion is mental health and I've always known and I've realised that whenever you go to a gym. Anyone goes to any gym or personal training studio for their personal training. It's brilliant for your mental health. But no gym, or at least most of them, do not provide any direct support around mental health. So I set about to change that by incorporating a separate room within my studios which have a psychotherapist in them, so it kind of bridges that gap between physical health and mental health. Of bridges that gap between physical health and mental health. And, as I said, the first one primarily is to transform the environment into a much more calming environment through how the place looks, feels, sounds and everything like that.
Speaker 2:What would you say? Some of the challenges have been looking at some of the models of. I mean, because you're right, you're 100% right. I mean just, I'll just use this as a quick example, because it's not just happening in with the, the actual clients, but it's that that feel is also happening within the actual owner mentality as well, and what I mean by that is, you know, we get a lot of studio owners in it.
Speaker 2:See, like our sub brand is is gym mark, you know, and one thing that they say right away is they get standoffish because they're like well, you must just work with bro dude style gyms, with the with the thing. And I'm like no, not at all. Like you know, we work with all studios of all different, all different sizes. In fact, me and my wife met in yoga like it's not like one of those things that I'm like I don't look at gender and specificity in that way, but you're right and I think that, especially within the studio realm, you saw a very similar shift that I did. And so back to my question what are some of those challenges? What made you realize hey, and I'll just just so the people in the audience can understand what this means is it's the experience. How did, how did you understand that the experience of the gym was a kind of an ROI factor towards bringing in the type of audience that you wanted to bring in?
Speaker 1:Yes. So I often liken and give people the example, zach, that imagine yourself and or your wife and you, your whole entire concept of this thing called a restaurant is where you walk in and it's McDonald's, right. So that's all you've ever known that a restaurant could feel like and look like in terms of its bright lighting, chaotic atmosphere, very sterile plastic everywhere and you've got the bad smells and it's a junk food place with bad food, but you've got the vibe is how McDonald's is. Imagine that the burger provided by McDonald's is great. Despite that fact, your experience of the burger will be really, really poor. Now imagine that I took the same burger from you, zach, and I said listen, come over to and eat your burger at my restaurant, where everything is warm, lighting, the music is not stressful and all this loud techno and house and all that stressful and all this loud techno and house and all that. It's um intimately designed. The color scheme is to help you feel calm.
Speaker 1:your entire experience of eating that burger in that other restaurant will be completely different now I feel like that's where the gym industry is is that they gym owners and studio owners still seem to think that to have that sterile sort of environment, loud music and all that is somehow good and it motivates people, where, in fact, for a lot of people who are 30s and 40s and 50s especially, or, for example, women or, for example, new moms, they find that very, very stressful atmosphere.
Speaker 1:So I use that example.
Speaker 1:I can give you another example, which is that imagine if I gave you a best $200 bottle of wine and we drank it out of a plastic cup Now versus it's the same wine, it's the same wine but we drank it out of a beautiful glass, red wine glass and your whole experience of that wine will be completely different, but it's the same product. So what I'm finding is that you've got the situation where people are walking into these terrible environments. They're not realizing why until you take those same people and you put them into a different environment where so many things are considered, such as, for example, the use of natural materials like wood and all that sort of stuff and you wonder why they might have a better experience, especially in the sub realm of weight training. And that's a really, really hard one because women and weight training. We've got so many examples of how this is transformative to females' mental health, to everyone's mental health and physical health. Yet weight training, especially, is even worse when it comes to those sort of toxic, loud, crazy, chaotic environments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just kind of displayed a very. Both of those examples were very basic example of branding in a nutshell. I mean there's more to it than that, of course, but you know, I always like to use, I always like to use the example. Back to what you were saying, saying about a restaurant, very simple one for people to understand, because yoga studios yoga studios have been trying to go this route for a long time. They've been trying to focus on that, but they also don't understand they. They also haven't looked at the audience in depth, like you have target audience and said, hey, how do we shift our, our paradigm on? Hey, the services don't necessarily need it isn't based 100 on the services? Right, seems like you did a little bit more target research.
Speaker 2:The biggest trend right now, I see and I have a exhibit designer friend here in the States that does a lot, who came from your side of the world, who used to be in the hotel industry, and it's a very similar perspective right now they're thinking hospitality, right, they're thinking hell's, we have focus on hospitality, so let's have all our studios look 100 like again to me a sterile style wood. They're still wood, but there's lots of arrays and it's like they try to you you know where I'm going going out here but they look at that model and they say, hey, that's, that's going to work. I feel like what you're saying is 100 percent accurate. It comes down to you know, really just understanding, hey, the experience of the audience and knowing that, like you've done your research basically and I think for the audience listening right now, it's a good understanding of, hey, like you want to make a shift, you want to make a change or you're ready to expand.
Speaker 2:Now don't just look at Facebook ads like, look at the underlining of your audience, the underlining of who's who you're really trying to serve the community you're trying to build. And I'd love to hear a little bit about how those two studios are going. So you have two studios right now. What are some other challenges that you've seen as you've continued to evolve those studios that you've had to overcome and try to move past?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. So there are the usual challenges, zach, in terms of building sort of smaller businesses, and one of the obviously the exact um industry that we are in purely is personal training. So these are personal training gyms, fully equipped as gyms, but for only for personal training. Um, there is still the fact that people will see this. One of the challenges is that people out there see personal training as something more of a luxury or something that they feel like they can't always afford. Indeed, one-to-one personal training is more expensive than if you went to the gym on your own. What we're educating people around is that when they invest in their health, by nature, they are already spending far less money if they do pass on training by, for example, cutting down hugely on their alcohol intake, for example, on going out and meals out, because you don't know how much calories you're consuming when you're eating out and, for example, example, you don't know what ingredients they're putting in, and all that and, for example, alcohol that you might have at home, for example. So there's all this stuff that, when you factor in and it's about the challenges around educating people that when you factor in the amount of money you are already spending on eating out, eating in on junk food meals out, delivery alcohol in alcohol out, then it far exceeds what you could gain if you spent that same money on personal training. And then, of course, then you're building your physical strength and your physical health and your mental health in a way that the other stuff actually takes away from. So it's win, win really. So that's one of the challenges in terms of building them.
Speaker 1:Obviously you've got the usual elements, which are, for example, the marketing and kind of when you're a small place, having to go to the right market yourself, to the right um, being on towel with restricted budgets, and how do you do that? So there is that challenge as well, obviously with the fact that we are designed quite differently. The inspiration is the 1940s and, um, it affects all parts. So, for example, chandeliers, all the sorts of equipment not the equipment, of course, but just the the how everything is designed is very 40s, mid-century style, um, people. The challenge around that is for people who might think that actually it's not for them because it's too expensive or is there like a huge fee. And then we've had that challenge because we've had to explain to people that, look, you only pay for your personal training with our model, so you don't pay these huge fees. It might look like a certain way, but we are focused around quality personal training at competitive rates.
Speaker 1:The final challenge is that, especially in the United Kingdom and this may not apply in the US, zach that a lot of people have had pretty bad experiences of personal trainers in the UK. The reason for that is that it's actually very easy to become a personal trainer in the United Kingdom versus other countries. So we have to educate people that we are building a brand around quality personal training and not just hiring, because the model that gyms employees act here is that they will hire any personal trainer, no matter how good or bad they are, as long as they have the qualifications and they can afford the rent. But we, because these are our clients, we ensure that we've got a quality team who can actually look after them and actually give them real results which they might not have had before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's that quality and it could that could be a stigma. I mean, over here in the States I don't see it too much different. I see a trend that's going on right now is, which is, to me, the whole opposite of what personal training is for is accountability. These personal trainers that are trying to market to the whole world. They're ending up going, oh, just go on my program and I'll you know, do this, but then that doesn't leave any accountability. Like back to your mental health, and we can get into that in a second.
Speaker 2:The mental health attribute of you know, your studios and that being part of your brand and what you're trying to achieve, that's something that I think is very much been missing in the industry. That's funny enough. Where this cast kind of was is me as a business owner. I personally am. I mean, when I first started 10 years ago, great, and then I had kids and I was like, oh, I need to focus on the business, I need to focus on growth. I was burnt out. I finally started to bring back that connection with the studios, which actually, due to that, it gives me my time for my mental health. Like that's my time.
Speaker 2:I had to bring it back and if I don't have my mental block for the day or going out. I mean I already cut out. I already cut out drinking years ago, so I don't drink. You know, I try to eat as healthy as possible. But those are the things that are in our control as people. So those are the things that are in our control as people control as people. So those are the things that are in our control as people.
Speaker 2:So when you look at those expenses and say, just like a business owner, it's a very similar concept. There's nothing wrong with trying to find someone that can help you, guide you through certain steps of the process to reach certain goals. Is it going to happen at night with a gimmicky lose weight and lose 10 pounds in a week kind of system? Probably not. But you're going to start building mental clarity as well. So tell me a little bit about how you're emphasizing that mental health aspect within your studios so that possibly we can kind of get the trend going and maybe other people can start finding ways to kind of bring that in to the community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's three ways. Firstly is through a very, very important way, which is interior design, which is so, so, so important. Again, as I mentioned to you before, zach, the example of, if your only knowledge, if your entire life, has been that your only thought process around what a so-called restaurant is, that it's McDonald's, right, or Burger King, and you had no idea that a restaurant can look like, let's say, just a really, a really nice, fancy, intimately lit restaurant, your experience would, of course, be different. We yeah, I think that's beyond anywhere. Now there's so many elements that can help people's mental health, because your environment helps your mental health.
Speaker 1:Right now, for example, with uh, the elements that were specifically that come to my mind are the music.
Speaker 1:So we play very chilled out 1980s sort of chilled vibes, as opposed to we have a policy of not playing anything loud or sort of not loud but like a fast or anything, like super house music or trance or techno or anything like that, this crazy music that you often find in weight training environments.
Speaker 1:The other thing which is so important is how lighting can transform any space, and when you, wherever you have any environment gym, cafe, restaurant, anything which which has harsh, cold, overhead lighting. It will destroy the atmosphere and it will make you feel more anxious, because studies have shown and every study has shown that warm lighting makes people feel better and less stressed or anxious, rather than cold, overhead lighting. So the lighting is so hugely important. Then you've got the use of natural materials like wood, and the reason again is that because it goes back to that part of our brain all humans have that part of our brain, zach which is from the caveman days, where we feel comfortable, where we've got surrounded by nature or wood and things like that, whereas if you look at all these including luxury gyms, zach, full of glass and steel and things like that- that hospitality.
Speaker 1:look, they're going to have that hospitality look Exactly exactly and somehow thinking that that's how to do it, but it's not. Someone thought of it as a great idea, but it doesn't mean it is. Then on top of that is colour psychology. There is huge, huge psychology around how different colours make you feel. As an example, zach, if I went into your bedroom and I painted your, everything was the same. And I painted your bedroom, zach, bright red.
Speaker 1:When you go into the same room, I can almost guarantee you you will feel less relaxed, right? So hence why, when you see gyms with their bright white clinical walls and all that sort of stuff, combined with the harsh overhead white, bright lighting, it can make people feel anxious and on edge. And especially when you have weight training, zach, you've got this environment where you've got these guys on edge trying to pump iron. And then you've got women who uh, especially with nowadays we try to encourage women to do weight lifting, especially because it's unbelievable the transformative effects. But you can take a typical woman and put her in that environment and she's not often going to feel that great. But if you then do things, for example, by softening and putting a calming colour scheme, soft materials like velvet, it does actually make people feel more at home, especially in an environment where you don't associate it with, and it can make everyone feel better in terms of their stress and anxiety levels feel better in terms of their stress and anxiety levels.
Speaker 1:The second aspect is the weight training and personal training industry is, unfortunately renowned for very kind of like traditional personal trainers, people who are like pushing you hard and screaming and shouting, and you still have that aspect, especially weight training gyms.
Speaker 1:So we've got a policy to only hire personal trainers who have a very empathic, caring approach to how they communicate with our clients. So their personality is key and the desired effect is to help all our clients make them feel less stressed and anxious when they're going into the gym and going to meet us. And then the third aspect, as I mentioned to you before, is the fact that, as transformative as the weight training is for your mental and physical health, it will never really replace the transformative benefits of talking therapy, psychotherapy. Right, obviously and we find this the world over that personal trainers end up being clients, that they're counselors and psychotherapists to their clients, because their clients often are not accessing psychotherapy services, because there's a stigma around that, especially with men or whatever, and it can be really tough. So by having an in-house psychotherapist it really will encourage people to go to see her and to kind of get the additional actual psychological help at the same time as well.
Speaker 2:You brought up a lot of interesting stuff there. There's a whole bunch there to unpack and the first thing that comes to mind because I preach this all the time color theory. Oh great, a lot, a lot In the environment of a studio. Going back to your black and red I actually gave a very similar example from a much easier example was hey, if you know, just so people could kind of understand, it's like if you're going to have a yoga studio, you're not going to do reds and blacks because you're not going to attract hyped up energy. It's going to be soothing, mental, you know, relaxation.
Speaker 2:And you have just nailed down like the epitome from the interior design perspective, how to psychologically bring value to your audience, which will bring tremendous ROI as you continue to grow. Because what it does is it starts to build a certain community right and you start to be able to target a little bit more specific. And what happens? You start bringing people in that have similar values, that they tell on their friends and they build advocacy. And so, within the color theory perspective, we're very big on not the interior design, I don't do interior design, I'm a visual communicator at heart, so very big on how do we spread that similar message outside the gym and that same experience, how do we showcase that amongst your team, your future audience? And so we kind of preach a very similar thing from the color theory perspective, like how much impact it could really make.
Speaker 2:So when, when studio owners are really thinking about, hey, my Facebook ads aren't working, I'm trying to just bring in all this business, and they're getting all these unqualified lead, which is kind of funny enough a way, the industry has gone from a marketing perspective that I look at and I'm like, dude, this should not be how you're marketing your studio, especially now, in 2025. We're dealing with where the environment has changed. People want to find a place of community and I feel like you found a very good. You have a very good sense of that color theory perspective utilizing a different form of communication to give the same results.
Speaker 1:You're absolutely right, zach. I mean again, I hope the example of a restaurant is applicable to you, because obviously we can all agree that I mean well, even with that sector. Well, even with that sector the hospitality sector Zach, you can be a restaurant owner and I'm sure that if you were the best guy, you were an incredible CEO and you've got your own business as a restaurant, zach, people will come for you or your family or for your staff. I get that and that's so crucial. But there's a big problem. There's so many other elements that we neglect, and that's the issue.
Speaker 1:And I feel like it's a bit like when you're training your body, zach, and you're doing everything right, but you're also then hugely drinking a bottle of wine at night, right?
Speaker 1:So you're kind of, if you imagine that example that I've just given you, let's say, you're doing the weight training and you're going to the gym and you're putting all the work in and you're eating fantastically, but you'll just do one thing, which is two bottles of wine a night, right, right?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, it's fair to say that you are probably destroying a huge, that one tiny mistake of a couple of bottles of wine a night, which, for whatever reason, even one will pretty much destroy, or severely happen, the entire effort that you're making. So it's the same with the gym. So, designing or creating a building successful, uh, gym, that makes me because, for example, you could be doing all that and, as you just said, which is that you're, you're communicated, you want to get, and that's great if they're going into an environment I'm not talking about your particular environment, but but if, for example, they're going into an environment where you've still got other things which are making me people feel like, oh gosh, like, for example, what I mentioned about the music and the sound and every all the other stuff, then they're still not going to feel that great, they're not going to have the best experience, but those things are so easily rectifiable. Which is the frustration point for me, which is it's so easy to rectify that, but people don't think about it.
Speaker 2:Well, and I don't necessarily think they don't think about it. I think, very similar to your restaurant example, I think that the environment has just of, the industry has just not been able to mold. This is where it's going Like. This is where it needs to go right. And two, I think that we just live in a time where people are looking at, hey, I need to. We just live in a time where people are looking at, hey, I need to build business and ROI, and they don't necessarily. They still go after the quick fix. They don't think about the long-term goals.
Speaker 2:I was on a panel with the CEO of SoulCycle last month and we were having a conversation about smell. Right, they're telling me about how they really focus on the aspect of how do we dictate ROI based off of smell. Like they sit down every year, they look at, they have a certain you know scent meter, they have a certain situation where they test the scent and then they're able every year to say, hey, did, did we lose more? And of course, it's not the only factor, like you said, there's more that goes into it and, looking at it as a whole that goes back to what you said about the interior design I think that they don't look at it because they're like well, me changing the colors of my gym aren't going to bring me 10 new members tomorrow. You know when, in reality, it's going back to that. Hey, really thinking about your audience and the advocacy of how you can bring value to them, like you did, you were like huh, I know that this environment is going to suit our audience better for the well-being of what we're doing.
Speaker 2:And now that you kind of talked about that, you kind of mentioned a little bit towards the end there the types of and we could get into the red and black thing constantly. Like it drives me crazy how every into the red and black thing constantly. Like it drives me crazy how every studio does red and black, um, constantly. It's like you're not even separating yourself at this point. But yeah, yeah, okay, how the look and feel and how what you did and and working on the mental health side.
Speaker 2:So let me break it down a little bit. So so you have your visual communications from the exhibit design spectrum. You have your kind of offerings and you're not really offerings, but your vision, your vision of you know we're going to focus on mental health and your audience of this type of audience. How did that play into? And you talked a little bit about weightlifting, which is unique, I would. You would assume that someone would come in and be like we're just gonna create a yoga studio. At this point, you know, because the offerings match that type of environment, what made you, when you look down deep into this audience, really decide to say, hey, let's focus on basically your training packages, like how does your training packages like, how do your, how does your training, how does your training really affected by these other aspects of your experience?
Speaker 1:yes, exactly, I mean, you've you've made a very, very, very strong point, especially with uh. What we are specifically doing, zach, and that is weight training, um, heavy, free weights it's. It's super important to stress that that is the uh. That's the kind of industry that we're in. We're not, yes, we're fitness, we're person training, but that can encompass, for example, other things like boxing and and all sorts, and which we don't do. We are very specifically focused only on free weight training, right, which is getting stronger and physically lifting weights for men and women to get stronger and build muscle. And our basic premise is muscle is medicine, and only in the last year and a half has this been spoken about more that, of course, this aesthetics around having a great muscle, like you have yourself, you know, great biceps, everything looking great is is one thing, but where people are going with weight training is that, um, and realizing and the studies are showing this is that people who have more lean muscle are able to guard themselves against so many different diseases and elongate their entire lifespan and protect themselves against so many things that come at them physically or mentally, whether it's childbirth, whether it's any disease, whether it's an injury, whether it's preventing pretty, whether it's any disease, whether it's an injury, whether it's preventing pretty much every type of disease. Muscle building is transformative. It's actually only been in the last couple of years that I've actually seen more and more studies around this, and this concept around muscle is medicine has become more and more clearer, especially for women. But again, that's where I fit in in terms of that's our focus.
Speaker 1:But, as I alluded to before, it was this particular environment is even more.
Speaker 1:The weight training environment can be even more toxic. Uh, it can be how. There's a lot of kind of this, um, you know, grunting and this where people feel like they're on edge and feel like they are being judged or have to compete with other guys, and it's not good for men's mental health, neither. So when they have to be in that environment, so transforming it already for them, for the male market, uh, sort of uh, the traditional heterosexual male market is, um, already something which we're delivering differently. But we wanted to do this for everyone and to actually show that, regardless if you're male or female, gay, straight, whatever, um, that this, we want to make this environment as comfortable for you and to make this as enjoyable for you, which is a traditionally very toxic male environment in many places, even commercial gyms. When you go to the weight section. That's where we've had a lot of issues in this country, in the UK, uk around females feeling a bit intimidated being checked out, inappropriate comments, things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean overall, I think that you've you've done your homework and I think, to get close to the end of this, something that I think that, um, we can really touch on here is your ability to look at it from a different perspective. You talked a lot about the beginning. I want to disrupt the industry, so I think that this industry needs to look at outside, help, in short, to say how can we make this industry better, how can we improve this industry? And I think you, coming in from the outside perspective, in a different industry, but still having an understanding of it enough that you could come in and be like how do you do this?
Speaker 2:Me, for instance, I came from more of the sports industry and, yeah, you could say the sports industry.
Speaker 2:It was when I first started. It was very similar to the fitness industry, but then I grew, I evolved, I changed, and trying to mold some of those different types of systems that the sporting industry has in to studios and how they can evolve their marketing and how it can evolve their writing and things of that nature, I think has been a way that I've positioned myself, talking a lot about not just oh, hey, I, I used to own a gym and now I'm doing now I'm owning another gym or now I'm doing this. I think that in my industry we get a lot of people that say I used to own a gym and now I'm in marketing and I'm like well, I'm in marketing and I've worked with 80 different types of industries and now I'm just focusing on studios. So I think I have a little bit more experience in the marketing side than you know, than a studio owner that you know knew some of the experience but that was a ramp.
Speaker 2:But I'd say that that's that's probably very kudos to you that you took that leap. You took that, that perspective and you know to try to help people understand you, connect with. You connect with, connect with. If audience wants to reach out to you to learn more about your studios and what you're really trying to grow with your vision, where can people reach you?
Speaker 1:Yes, so they can reach us via our Instagram, which is at angelgyms or angelgymscom. Beautiful, beautiful Angel Jim's or angeljimscom.
Speaker 2:Beautiful, beautiful. I'll throw those in the show notes for anyone either uh to who would like to just go over there and give them a shout out, or give them a look, or or reach out to them on, uh, uh, any of their platforms. And again, I really appreciate you being on. Gabriel, we're going to do something here. Uh, only a few guests that I say this to, but we're going to have you on in like six months to a year. I want you to come on, I want you to come on frequently, I want you to come on and we can go only so much we can talk about in an hour, and I'd love to have you again and continue to see how we can bring value to your audience and to the community as a whole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great. Thank you so much, zach, and I appreciate the time and for you to sort of speak to me about what we're doing, which has been a great opportunity for us as well. So thank you.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. Well, just for everyone to know. Well, thank you again for joining us for our new, improved Fit to Grit cast. I'm your host, Zach Coleman, and I hope you all get your visionary time on today.
